Are NCAA Sanctions Self-Serving?

Enough is enough with PSU already, they really just need to get this over with. With that being said, I really like the idea of putting forth revenue to abuse charities. However, it would be terrible to take away any playing time or issue penalties that would fall on the current players.

I don’t really see the point of vacating games back to 1998.  Sure, Paterno was coach, and it’s right to take down his statue, but it was the players who played the games, and the issue was not directly a football issue.  “Oh, they didn’t really win that game, because they had a pervert on campus that the coach knew about.”  Really?  How did that affect the wins and losses?  Also, I am not a fan of dictatorships - the normal NCAA process should have been used - after confirming it was applicable.  To me, this is a legal issue, and those involved should be addressed through the legal system.

Penn St. signed off without appeal on the sanctions and so should everyone else. Penn St. is done. They will not be competitive with 65 scholarships. That is by far the harshest penalty. This being a Husker site, how does it affect us? We just got a much easier cross division rival. Good for us. Too bad for Penn St.

WEAK sauce! 

This just makes me sick.  Limiting Scholarships and bowl bans have had little impact on other institutions such as USC and Ohio State.  This case is so much more serious than any other NCAA case and they just throw more of the same.  In the presser Emmert all but admitted that they thought PSU should get the death penalty, but that PSU was too big to fail.  What bull!  I don’t see how this sends a message to future administrators facing similar choices.

Weak?  Uh ok.  Can you imagine where we would be with 40 less scholarships over the next 4 years and a 4-year bowl ban?  They will be lucky to beat Indiana in the foreseeable future.  I get the post season ban and everything else, but I don’t completely understand the scale of the scholarship limitations.  It seems like punishing opportunities for student athletes in the future…and a lot of them.  How can USC have violations directly related to compensation for athletes and not receive even close to the penalty in that area?  It doesn’t seem like it fits to me…the fine, post-season ban, vacated wins, and some scholarship reduction I can see…completely removing the opportunities for the athletes in the program with the scale of the scholarship reductions seems like BS to me.  I’m not sure a Big 10 team can ever recover from this…not with the changing landscape of college football.  And this is definitely not good for Nebraska as it considerably weakens their new rival and is bad overall for the Big 10.  I’m not saying they shouldn’t have received severe punishment from the NCAA, I just don’t agree with the scale of the scholarship reductions.

What have scholorship limits done to other major programs that have recieved them?

USC?  They seem to be doing just fine to me.  Still pulling in elite classes.
OH State?  Recruiting is up.  A couple of years with Meyer and they will likely be better then before sacntions.

More importantly.  Scholorship limits seem, to me, to have done little to change future behavior.

USC is doing fine because their punishment was truly weak, even though their violation was directly related to athlete compensation.  And it’s USC, where they don’t even have to recruit…kinda like Texas.  Ohio State’s punishment was far weaker with respect to scholarships than even USC.  No one has had this type of scholarship reduction.  The fact that scholarship reductions haven’t had as much of an impact is because they were a weak response to direct violations in related behavior…and you have the blind eye turned toward the SEC with respect to all their recruiting issues.  Scholarship reductions don’t mean as much at schools where they pay their players…

Howard in CA,

Way to go , dude. You stole Steve’s ‘thunder’ for his next story on how another team’s misery becomes a gain for Nebraska.

To me, vacating wins doesn’t compute at all. I would think a true death penalty would be in order to get the message out that the mentality of a whole organization, in this case, would not be tolerated and would serve as an example. When you figure in the monetary support that this university has, taking $60 mil will not make too much difference once their supporters start kicking in for the cause. NCAA fail. Go figure.

On another note, I believe it was Nick Saban who proposed a tax on Ped State University football tickets and using the money to fund some type of sexual assault center (?)... This is a great example of someone who makes way too much money that has lost touch with reality. Really?? A tax on PSU football tickets? Let’s see…who buys those tickets? Fans of the game do. Why would you make the football fans pay for the mistakes made by PSU? Idiotic idea, Nick. Now go back to what you do best which is strategy and leave the real matters thinking to someone else.

My hope is that Commissioner Delaney finds that PSU failed to live up to integrity standards and doesn’t qualify as being a member of the Big 10 and dismisses them. Then they can be true misfits like Notre Dame and form their own little 2 team conference and call it ‘Wee 2’, aka: ‘I don’t play well with Others Conference’.

Maybe if the Big 10 decides to allow PSU to stay as a member they can re-name the conference ‘B1G and the Ped’...

This whole mess should be a great lesson on the dangerous mentalities of universities/fan bases who put winning above all else.

Stop already with this nonsense of erecting statues of living people.

Follow the $
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2012/07/23/sanctions-against-penn-state-for-sex-scandal-are-too-lenient/

OU7times ~ “Ped St.” SCOMFS!!! (Spit Coffee On My F’ing Screen). First time I have seen that so kudos to you and your comments but I don’t mind having a whipped PSU to help the Huskers record in the years to come.

I don’t know that this helps us.  It will significantly water down our schedule strength and everyone will give them a free pass.  “Sure you the huskers won 10 games, but they played PSU…”  Like playing a FCS team only worse.

Exactly, watered down.

PSU can’t get out of their own way.

One more thing that angers me. The NCAA was so quick to take away wins since 1998…but shouldn’t that aspect of the penalty phase come at a later date? To me, addressing the fact that they are taking away wins from a dead guy and the university is just bad timing, at best.

Really it is just an insult to your intelligence as well as a slap in the face to the victims and their families.

Clearly, the NCAA is obsessed (as PSU) with ‘wins’.

Keep focused for christ’s sake.

Sorry, Howard, I owe you a cup of cofee.

OU7,

I am hearby considering myself guilty of copyright infringement by taking Ped State and calling it my own when I walk the streets. . .

Penn State got off EASY.  Why?  Because as long as the program continues to exist the donations will continue.  If I’m correct the donations boomed when all of this broke and continue to do so.  The powers that be will try to sell a dream of bringing Penn State “back” which is NOT what any of this is about.  Penn State sold character, personal development, integrity, and merit while enabling a monster to operate with relative impunity.  There is nothing to resurrect, and nothing to bring “back.”  The program was an illusion built on the legend of a now false idol.  It is a time to get good, honourable, and decent people who can correctly choose what side to intervene on when confronted with good and evil.  It seems that there is a great deal of people at Penn State who are in denial, even today. . .

It is jaw-dropping to hear people talk about the vacating of wins as “harsh” and that Paterno “never got his time to lay out his case” and so on.  This is a human tragedy with a trail of wrecked lives.  And even today, there are people who are trying to rally around Paterno and Penn State football.  You needed to terminate this program.  Turn the lights out, give people time to heal, and when the lights come back on try to instill a culture of right and wrong.  Forget about football.  It is time for Penn State to concentrate on making people’s lives better and giving back as much as possible to the community.  The road to redemption does not end with Penn State being “back” but only when they have proven that they can be responsible with the well-bring of human lives.  Students, Athletes, Children. . .

SMU deserved better.  If they got a Death Penalty then what exactly rises to the level of this punishment?  SMU was not evil.  It did not enable pedophelia.  The victims at SMU where the people who didn’t take anything, but their lives went on.  The victims at Penn State will never be able to go on with their lives. . .

And I’ll chuck this out there too. . .

http://cfn.scout.com/2/1204623.html

Who cares about Penn State moving forward. They didn’t seem to care too much about not letting young boys getting raped and sodomized by a fiend. I only care about the victims. Will innocent people be hurt…ya they will. Oh well. That’s life. They’re damn lucky they even have a football program and not real sure they should ever again.
What we should be doing is going over their roster and cherry picking their top players to come to Nebraska…isn’t Devon Sills the DT stud still there? How about Redd? We need a good running back for when Burkhead leaves. If Bo and Co aren’t making the calls right now like everybody else will be, they’re not doing their job.
Penn State won’t be anything for the next 10 years if that soon. Good. It was swift and that’s good.
With all those wins vacated, does that mean the other team can claim them on their historical record as a win instead of a loss?

Tadedge

The thing isnt that they lost scholarships but the amount, they are going to have 20 less scholarship players on the roster for the next few years after this year..65 Scholarships is the same amount given to Division II schools , such as North Dakota State. Yes they might be able to win a few games but the Big Ten Schedule is bad enough with out having to do it with 20 fewer hog molies..  Not to mention the young kids that will leave because they will never be able to play in a bowl game..

AS far as Bowl Bans , 4 years is alot , OSU was a year.. USC, 3?? starting that first year so it didnt effect recruiting as bad as a four year ban will.. Kids that commit this year only get to play in a bowl game for their senior year?? WIth three years by the time the kids got to campus they had had two years left, take a redshirt year and by their sophmore years they are playing for a bowl .. Thats an extra year or two for bowls..

Also would you rather have a one year death penalty?? What would that do, everyone takes a Vaca and the whole thing would be up and running in a year.. this will take PSU at least 5 years before they can start digging out of their hole

Re Scholarships: This is the one provision that will actually hurt ... some.  But really it isn’t that significant.  Reduced # of scholarships haven’t seemed to have slowed down USC, OH State, or Alabama (although admittedly there are more in this case).  The NFL only has a 53 man roster.  That is plenty for a solid two-deep, special teams and a few redshirts.  Also, PSU does have a walk-on program that stands to only get stronger with the whole “circle the wagons” mentality and possibly better chance at playing time.  Didn’t we only have 15 schollys to offer in last years class?  Was it a horrible class?

The Bowl ban will have an affect on recruiting the next year or two.  After that it will be quite mitigated. 

Honestly, I can see them winning 50% of their games over the next 4 years and be back in contention for the division in year 6.

PSU will continue to fill their stadium, be on TV, sell appearel etc., and generally benifit financially from giving the football program free reign.

What would I rather have?  In light of a cover-up that reaches from the janitors to the BoT where those in power knowingly and purposefully chose to harbor a child rapist in order to protect the prestige of the university and football revenue…  I would have closed down the football program (maybe the athletic department as a whole) completely for at least as long as the cover-up lasted (13 years).  At that time PSU would be allowed to petition for possible reinstatment.  Kids are more important than football.  Period. 

I sincerly hope that the Dept of Ed. gets involved in a serious way, because of right now this punishment does little to change future behavior.

Another thing.  I find is disappointing that we don’t seem to hear people from PSU calling for something like this.  If (heaven forbid) something like this was happening here and it was local NE kids getting raped in Hawks (and coaches, AD, and Pres all knew about it); I would want them to shut the whole thing down.  Lights out.  Completely clean house.  Probably tear down the training complex.  Then start over with a clean slate.

Having said that… I need to say this.  I LOVE me some husker football.  GBR

The Paterno family needs to stop with press releases and statements.  It is not about HIS legacy but how to atone for the horrible tragedy that has transpired.  To the Paterno family, stop, now. . .

Eric Thomas over on BlackShoeDiaries said it best:

“To the Paternos…
All I want from the Paterno family is less defiance, and a “We are….sorry.” Just tell me you’re sorry it’s got to this point. Tell me you regret any misgivings the father committed that hang over the entire family.

Just tell me you’re sorry.

Don’t thank anyone for being supportive; don’t pretend your own investigation will correct any misjudgments you think have come down.

Just say it, one time, you’re sorry.

Then drop the mic and walk off stage.”

“The Neutered Lions”... Pales to “Ped St.” but wanted to contribute.

Hoping we had some recruits that mistakenly picked PSU over Nebraska that our coaches can send emails of sympathy to re-“open” that door. Oh yeah. No mercy!

What’s this? “PSU four-star CB Ross Douglas, who decommitted on Monday and will visit Nebraska and Wisconsin.” ESPN

TE Adam Breneman??? Welcome!

And now Fitzgerald Toussaint with a DUI? Guess he couldn’t resist toasting a few too many to the PSU demise.

I really do not see the point of taking back wins banning the CURRENT team from post season play. Fine them, sue them and blame them, but think of all the current student athletes that worked their tails off to make the team and/or earn a scholarship. In my opinion, they should just have fined heavily and removed every coach and affiliate involved. Punishing current students is only causing hatred, and this effects the band and cheerleaders also. BTW- I’m in no means defending PSU, just feel for the current students.

They didn’t get the death penalty, they just got two .30 cals to the knees.
Nebraska will again be kind and gracious, hosting them in Lincoln. Then, trot off Osborne field with the win.
PSU cobbles together a new program, while being an unreal spectacle. They’re off to a new start, which, they’ll have to quickly embrace. ‘Cause, it’s kinda tough out there.
They legacy they had, pre all this, was up there with the best.
Now… Obliterated. Yanked right out of the concrete.